For Heaven's Sake

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Thoughtful debate elevates us all. In For Heaven’s Sake, Donniel Hartman, Yossi Klein Halevi, and Elana Stein Hain revive the Jewish art of constructive discussion on topics related to political and social trends in Israel, Israel-Diaspora relations, and the collective consciousness of being Jewish.JOIN OUR EMAIL LIST FOR MORE HARTMAN IDEAS

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  • TwirlingThumbs
    More than a podcast
    To consider this as an ordinary podcast doesn’t do justice to the experience of the listener, at least from my perspective. I began listening to the conversation between Donielle and Yossi from the beginning of the Israel at War recordings. It has been an incredible gift to progress through the emotional, political, social and military unfoldings that are revealed and examined by two people who never shy away from reality or differences in approaches. As an American Jew, I feel humble and privileged to be invited into the room with them and taken on their journey. I don’t know if it will resonate as deeply for someone who hasn’t been tuning in from the very beginning, but that is absolutely not a reason to skip past this podcast. At its essence, it is about deep friendship and respect in the face of threats and opportunities in a part of our collective world where the stakes could not be higher.
  • K Blitz
    Heaven at War
    I found your podcast as a non-Jewish American trying to make sense of 10/7. I’ve read about Palestinians for about 15 years and how modern Israel began. I wanted to hear Jewish people wrestle with the attack, living with people of the 3 main religions side by side, but mostly the wrestling. This isn’t a black and white discussion. I really appreciate your opinions and your “I don’t knows”.
  • Shüli
    Thank you!!
    Been an avid listener for years at this point. After Oct 7- this was the only podcast I could listen to and i check daily hoping there’s new episodes! I have appreciated your processing of everything and the nuance you bring to the table. Keep it up. Todah.
  • Bob Kopka
    Insightful
    Thank you Donielle and Yossi, your weekly insights help me make sense of the war, help me see through my emotions and help me see perspectives that had hitherto eluded me. I look forward to being together this summer at the Community Leaders program in Jerusalem at the end of June. Your podcasts are as excellent as your annual programs at the Shalom Hartman Institute. להתרעות
  • revawinston
    Thank G-d for this Podcast
    These two exceptional Jewish thought leaders bring their fullest intellect, hearts, souls, and savvy to unpacking critical aspects of the current situation in Israel. I appreciate so many elements of this podcast, and it has truly been a lifesaver for me emotionally. It has been nearly impossible to find insightful and balanced analysis of the Gaza war in any media source. Highly recommend! (And thank you YKH and DH — you are a duo worthy of praise for every episode 🙏)
  • CougarKDT
    Hooray for Israel!
    As a characterized gentile I appreciate the level of insight this podcast is affording me. I love Israel and know I have Israeli blood in my veins as a decedent of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Current events play out yet another chapter in the gathering of Israel and I love it that victimization is considered antithetical to Israeli sentiment.
  • TSA (The Senior Advisor ;)
    Thank you for bringing moral underpinnings back
    Thank you for bringing moral underpinnings back into the conversation. It tickled that acute discomfort I feel as an American Jew, who understood the victim narrative, but has now has turned into a queasy standoff within myself. I have no comfortable arguments left without clearly acknowledging the horror Israel has brought upon Gaza trying to dismantle Hamas. Israel is now Russia in public opinion-also with a despised leader What is the clear moral argument for a Just war, that does not ignore the terror of Palestinian civilians, and takes more responsible action for protecting them? No one critiques Egypt for not letting Palestinians in while Israel guts Gaza. So That leaves Israel with a responsibility she has not owned up to. Saying "that's not my problem-it's an Arab problem"does not make for a moral worldview.
  • jmadnick
    The End of Victimhood
    This episode today was wonderful. Most episodes look back, look at now, look forward, and that’s as it should be. This one had a historical view that I resonated with so strongly. Now I am gong to tell a story of my own experience. In 1982, I was a student at Boston University. The first Lebanon War was of interest to not so many students. But when an Arab student group wanted to host an event, Lebanon:Another Vietnam, the pro-Israel students and the Lebanese Christian students banded together. The event started with a film of injured civilians in Beirut hospitals. At the end of the film, the pro-Palestinian side cheered. During QnA, one pro-Israel student asked a qestion, really a statement, about the 1974 terrorist attack in Maalot that killed 115 on our side. We, pro-Israel students, cheered (the question). Or did we cheer our expression of victimhood as counter balance to their expression of victimhood. I immediately saw the ridiculousness of such a competition. Who in their right mind wants to win this competition? Ok, back to the podcast. I listen to every episode. This one prompted a response.
  • curlyJE
    Appreciate this insight into contemporary Israeli issues
    I appreciate this window into issues around the war and contemporary politics in Israel. The past two shows (on The Hague and on Religious Messianism) have been exceptionally informative and the openness of the exchange between the hosts was illuminating. Sometimes I feel that Donniel talks over Yossi,
  • Dave Pomerantz
    Emotional, poignant, honest
    Donniel and Yossi provide a superb counterbalance on the most gripping issues. Even after Oct 7th, it's not just the war, it's the many moving parts in and around it. They deal with even the most painful and often especially the most painful issues. Painful to themselves. Sometimes hard to hear. I appreciate the time and feeling they put into each episode. Thank you!
  • Hear-n-Now
    Rich, emotional with a dash of neurotic ego
    A friend turned me onto this pod. Really appreciate the deep, heartfelt conversation from two wise older Jews living in Israel. AND, it’s really painful to listen to Donniel Hartman constantly interrupting to make his point. He’s not a good listener, has to always have the last word, and dominates the more passive, Yossi Klein Halevi. I’d give higher ratings if Donniel listened more and dominated less. 🤷🏻‍♂️
  • sngr4evr
    Wonderful!
    I’m not Jewish but listening to these two makes me wish I was. Very thoughtful and honest and enlightening. Keep it going
  • ClaireFrances1900
    Thankful for serious thoughts
    I am tired of podcasters thinking they must entertain. I want to learn and listen to intelligent conversation. You can find that here. Listening to Yossi Klein Lalevi , I was glad to hear a more militant proud Zionist . I coukd hear failnt sounds of Meir Kahane whom I find now was extremely prescient. I understand Yossi was a follower then parted woth Kahane so I now am readin his biography,Memoirs of a Jewish Extremist to know him better.
  • HayleyGR2000
    Terrific
    The thoughtful, nuanced conversations here have been heartening and instructive during this very challenging time. Thank you.
  • Jbg9000
    Should be required listening
    What an interesting conversation between two teachers. When I think or oral traditions passed down, this is what I think of in 2023. Thank you both. Release the hostages. Stop the rockets. End the war.
  • SkinnyC1234
    My favorite podcast
    This podcast is like a warm hug straight from Israel to get me through these difficult days. Thank you so much for your perspectives and wise, comforting words.
  • Helene Haapala
    Thank you!
    This podcast and the thoughtful conversations have been a great gift in this heart wrenching time. The thoughtful dialogue and struggle with trying to make sense of the war going on has helped me with emotional and factual response.
  • Dr Dr Dan
    Thank you
    I’m grateful for this informative and compassionate discussion.
  • Dr. Spiegs
    Grateful
    Such a thoughtful, nuanced and morally resonant show.
  • Jonlux11
    This show is helping me get through the hardest time I’ve had since moving to Israel 18 years ago
    All I wanted to say is Thank You Yossi, Daniel and Ilana! Your last episode on the aftermath of the “reasonableness” bill in particular spoke to me. I am an Orthodox Jew who has always considered myself a centrist but I’ve become deeply concerned about the future of this country and orthodoxy for my 3 teenage children. So again, thank you and please keep doing what you’re doing!
  • Rap her
    What a special chevra
    As an Orthodox Jew I feel truly blessed to be a listener. And while I may not agree with everything the thoughts expressed are genuine and informative. I reco this podcast to all serious Jewish thinkers and not so serious!! The last episode, ‘Pogrom in Hawara’ is over the top with emotion. All 3 speakers are incredibly poignant. But, oy vey, what a problem we Jews have gotten ourselves in!
  • Flushing Guy (queens)
    Eric Alterman
    I urge you to interview Eric Alterman and discuss his new book about American Jews and Israel. “We are not one.”
  • Bracha6
    Wonderful conversations
    I love to hear different points of views on such important issues. Hartman Institute is the best! Thanks for your wonderful work.
  • Driver in need
    Democracy?
    How can it be said that the Israeli government was elected by a majority of the people? Did the current PM win a majority of the vote, did his party win a majority of the vote, did the coalition win a majority of the vote? My understanding is that the answer is no to all three questions. Wait until the next election? If the government’s plan is to eliminate the role of the courts then they could pass a law to end elections.
  • Dream5863
    Intelligent
    I find this podcast filled with intelligent conversation about varying subjects that are happening in the world and Judaism - the two are separate. I do not always agree with the various opinions that are presented, but I find it important to allow the dialogue to take place. For some it will enlighten their perspective, for others it will confirm their beliefs and for others it will prove why they disagree with such thoughts from their fellow Jews. However the most important part of the podcast is that a discussion is taking place and each listener is growing in his or her viewpoint.
  • Managing Partner/Attorney
    Even the music hit a chord!
    The discussion about the future of Liberalism in Israel did more than “tap” my left chord. It allowed me to consider the inner voices in a coherent manner; a deep melancholy as to the ability of Israel to seek notes of commonality. This podcast, the institute, is more important than ever. Amidst despair, I have a heard a glimmer of hope that Israel will begin to seek an essential dialogue on ideas (not idolised personalities) wherever moderation….whatever that means…exists. My optimism has not been extinguished just significantly dampened.
  • womanbyherradio
    on “the antisemitism we tolerate” edition
    While I do appreciate your coverage of the attack on two Bar and one Bat Mitzvah celebrants at the wall by Haredim, you leave out misogyny! The haredim have been violent toward women praying at the wall for decades. You cannot analyze the problem and not mention women in an hourlong discussion.
  • Viner man
    Nuanced, Educational, and Authentic
    This podcast fulfills a much needed niche. The hosts are honest, intellectual, and seekers of truth. Their insight and conversations are always engaging and highly educational. Listening is truly a blessing.
  • RMS-NYC
    smart, nuanced and challenging
    never come away with easy answers. the Jewish texts give depth and add to the moral complexity. this podcast doesn't tell me what to think, it challenges me to think harder.
  • Vancouvernyc
    Amazing podcast but audio needs to be fixed
    Must listen, but audio needs to be resolved.
  • The Thinking Marketer
    Getting boring when you say the same thing in different ways
    Why does every topic discussed turn into a conversation about accepting one another? Is this a podcast that analyzes current events or keeps repeating the same Hartman message again in different ways? At some point it gets really boring.
  • סאם שיקגו
    Great pod fix audio
    Grade pod fix audio
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