Keith occasionally has something worth saying, but he lacks solid experience with hardcore software development, and knows almost nothing about lean/agile. He approaches software like an operations problem. Paul is unpleasant to listen to and seldom adds anything of value. I wouild not listent to this podcast at all if Paul was the only contributor. This week's episode is particularlt vexing, as the bros bray on about American Football. Please find another forum for that. Your listeners are here to bone up on AppSec.