The Real Killer

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One autumn night in 1997, 18-year-old Anastasia WitbolsFeugen is found brutally murdered, her body discovered in a place meant for eternal rest. But nothing about this case would prove peaceful or simple. Investigative journalist Leah Rothman peels back the layers of a haunting case that defies everything you thought you knew about murder investigations. Does it all come down to one recorded phone call or an eyewitness who may not have seen a thing? Who killed this promising young woman and why? Who is telling the truth and who has a motive to lie? This season's hit podcast promises a heart-stopping journey through a teen tragedy so complex, so twisted, that each episode will leave you questioning: who is The Real Killer?

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  • IsGi D
    Season 3❤️
    Love love season 3 and 1- not 2
  • Xio Martinez
    Riveting
    I am so engrossed and don’t known what to believe at this point. Is she lying? Is he? So many lives ruined.
  • medicshelly223
    Season 3- episode-13
    Interview with Kelly……Your interview with Kelly…. How in the heck anyone “prosecute” used Kelly’s statements to put anyone in PRISON, BLOWS MY MIND. It truly feels like Kelly is ABSOLUTELY involved in the murder,BUT I do NOT believe the story she is telling at all. Kelly makes too many statements, followed by- “whatever, you know” as a blank term for extremely serious allegations. Mental illness runs rampant through her family???? I pray that Kelly is put into PRISON, as she is not coming off as truthful at all.
  • Ctina23f
    Ads?
    Why are there ads when I’m a subscriber to I heart podcasts? So sick of hearing them!
  • DeeDee428
    A bit more challenging during her interviews
    Listen, I’m not saying Byron did or didn’t commit murder. However, aside from Kelly’s testimony, there’s absolutely no concrete evidence to support the claim that he killed her. When people ask, “Why would she lie?” or “It’s been 26 years, and she’s still sticking to her story,” consider this: if a lie you told 26 years ago led to someone being imprisoned for the rest of their life, would you all of a sudden want to come forward and confess? It’s likely because she was angry that he was moving out of state, starting a new life, and didn’t want anything to do with her. I wish someone had challenged everyone who blindly defended her, at least a bit, to see their response. Let’s not forget how Kelly herself impeached herself on the stand during her deposition when discussing her arrest history.
  • susannj
    Interested in the case but
    Too much bad audio and intrusive ads making it difficult to follow. I’m going to pass on this. Too bad.
  • ksubsn
    Bad sound
    I had never listened to this podcast before so I thought I would give it a try, starting with season three. I didn’t even make it 10 minutes due to the horrible audio of the phone call with that father. I listen to a lot of podcasts, I know that the audio shouldn’t sound that bad. These things make or break podcast for me, and this time it broke it.
  • Emily Ann Pro
    Pretty Good Not Great
    The research into Anastasia’s case is thorough. There is circumstantial evidence that points to so many people not just Byron. The audio from the police interviews and phone calls do get pretty long at parts especially when it’s hard to understand from bad audio quality. Also the more episodes that come out the less interesting it gets. It seems like there is a decent amount of useless information given and a lot could have been cut to make a better podcast that does this case justice.
  • Wouldntyou
    Lisp
    The host’s lisp is annoying.
  • Teon77
    Loved Season 3
    Well done podcast. One of my favs
  • whittylove
    Great show!
    I love how Leah is able to show that the law is not black and white, there are shades of gray!
  • mdmg96
    Just OK
    I found the first season very interesting. The third season literally put me to sleep with all the police interviews/audio. At times, it’s bad quality. It just gets so old. Why even have a podcast host. Just play the tapes. Boring
  • Engman19
    Why does there always…
    Every single criminal podcast on this channel ends up mentioning how racist every thing is. This is a podcast about a wrongfully convicted murderer who is white and the victims were all white…yet you just couldn’t help virtue signaling. And by the way Missouri is NOT considered the south, its the midwest and its always midwest and northern states (esp the ones that vote blue) are the most racist areas in the world. Dumb podcast
  • Ronster200095
    Police Interviews
    This podcast is good but I have to skip over all the police interviews. I may be one of few but I find it pretty useless when any podcast adds police interviews. A majority of the time they are too emotional or just plain hard to listen to be of any help to the listener. Between the interviews and the ads I listen to maybe 30 minutes of each episode. It also seems redundant here because she pauses the interviews to go over what was said.
  • jsspain
    Good Listen
    Very well done and very interesting. I have a really hard time feeling empathy for Rodney’s situation since he was in fact a murderer previously. Maybe his conviction was Devine intervention given his extremely light sentence the first time.
  • Jess-Lei
    Host could be more compassionate about Mental Health
    I thought the podcast was interesting but was really turned off by a flippant comment the host made about OCD during Season 3 episode 1. She said the case made her want to pull her hair out. Trichotillomania is a form of OCD where someone has the compulsion to pull their hair out. It isn’t a joke and flippant comments about it reinforce the stigma surrounding this condition. If you wouldn’t make dismissive comments about bipolar disorder or schizophrenia then you shouldn’t about OCD either. It made her PSA about the suicide crisis hotline at the end of the episode seem really fake. It’s possible the host wasn’t aware, so I hope she will do better in the future.
  • theblackmariah
    Long bouts of police interview records
    Not bad, but found myself skipping through the police interviews. Hard to listen to on and on and on.
  • buzz•buzz
    Audio
    I’m so interested in this story, but the police interview audio is next to impossible to understand. I feel like I’m missing so much.
  • gypsyocean
    Incredible story telling
    This podcast has changed my outlook on the death penalty. There’s just too many issues with our justice system to put people to death. There’s too much room for error. Hearing these men speak about forgiveness and spreading love with the cards they have been dealt has left me feeling grateful today, thank you for the work you’re doing with this show.
  • pgturner
    Well researched and reported
    Bravo, Leah! I have had this podcast on my phone for awhile and binged both seasons this week. I knew both cases peripherally but the reporting she did was outstanding in my opinion. It is obvious she spent a lot of time digging through files, documents and knocking on doors/calling everyone involved. I don’t typically write a review along with a rating but felt compelled here.
  • G. Madison
    Excellent Podcast
    Wonderfully addictive!
  • Petronila78075
    Amazing Podcast
    Please listen to this podcast and get Keith Lamar’s Story out there!
  • srl09
    Obsessed!
    I listen to every true crime podcast and this is my favorite! I’m sad that I finished in only a couple days!
  • TS3370
    Hoping for Justice and humanity
    Sadly, In a way, this is one of the best podcasts I’ve listened to, and I listen to a lot! I cannot believe how these people are treated, particularly if they have been wrongfully convicted like Rodney and Keith Lamar. I hope and pray and wish for the freedom of those that deserve it. The Justice system is corrupt and I don’t understand why those in positions of power are so determined to keep the innocent incarcerated and down. more needs to be done to stop this. Everybody talks about what a great country this is but if this is what the system is like it is not great at all, even when proven innocent people are still kept in prison. That is not America, that is not freedom. That is not great. Everyone needs to listen to this podcast and maybe more will be done to help those that need it.
  • stacilynnb
    From a Felon
    Its 2023 and some things seem as though they will never change! Ive been in and out of several different institutions in my life and this is so scary because it’s absolutely true that this could happen to anyone in the “system” especially someone of color! People that are willing to do anything instead of admitting to wrong doing or making a mistake I firmly believe are thee worst people you can possibly come into contact with in this life because nothing and nobody mean anything but their pride! This podcast is absolutely amazing and yet so sad that its even necessary at the same time! I pray Keith gets a chance for a new hearing before its too late and the people that pushed all the wrong buttons receive their own karma! November has never seemed so close! Oh and also from the reviews I’ve read you can just tell the people that walk with their noses up at everyone and have never done a single thing wrong in their world!!! (Guilty people are always the very first to point fingers and point out failing in anyone else)
  • Julieb1219
    The Real Deal
    I love this podcast. The subject matter is hard to hear at times, but she is telling the truth. It is so well done. I like Keith, I believe him, I want him to get a second chance. He’s no saint, but I don’t believe he did the crime they want to kill him for. I don’t believe in the death penalty anymore because of things just like this! This man deserves a new trial and even freedom.
  • Navy Vet Nicole
    Justice for Keith!
    This story is a tale of corrupt prosecution and a blatantly racist justice system. We can not allow this appalling miscarriage of justice.
  • @justiceforkeithlamar
    Ohio: We Demand Justice for Keith LaMar!
    Leah Rothman approached Season 2 of The Real Killer Podcast with objectivity and a firm commitment to reporting the truth as she uncovered it. She has done a beautiful job of toppling over the house of cards that Ohio set up after the 1993 Lucasvillle Prison Uprising. They wanted to bury the truth of their inability to prosecute anyone due to their mishandling of the evidence (contaminating it all). Their only way out of their mess was to PAY informants—the very perpetrators of the crimes—to point fingers at innocent others. Keith LaMar is a beautiful human being, one of the most generous. His entire life is spent in service to others. Ohio intends to murder this incredible man in order to hide their misconduct. It’s time to tell the truth, Ohio. #justiceforkeithlamar
  • Zedmunds
    An un-covering worth following
    The depths at which Leah explores this case is just amazing. I’m so impressed at how many voices and perspectives were included throughout this series to show such a deep and complex picture. Thank you to iHeartRadio and Leah for creating space for these journalistic explorations to uncover truths that have been attempted to be buried for far too long. The ways in which Keith LaMar's voice and heart shines through each time he is in these episodes, it is incredibly touching. What a human.
  • PDJOR
    Season 2
    Great story not sure if he’s innocent or guilty but I do know these lawyers that don’t care if the people there putting in jail/death row are innocent or not should definitely get in trouble at least a month in jail for every year the person they falsely convicted (because they knowingly held back evidence) spent in prison!! This has to stop!!!!!
  • OB1 K.
    Leah Rothman is a serious researcher!
    I am an attorney specializing in the post-conviction representation of prisoners and I would love to have her on my team! She digs for documents, locates witnesses, and she is a good interviewer. More important, she is a good listener. I hope lawyers and investigators are listening and learning! Sean
  • Mattsky Pink Pants
    The Murderer is The Victim
    This is pathetic journalism. A criminal doing what they do, manipulating and fleecing this reporter, and she weakly eats up. He spends the majority of time painting himself as the victim, while implying those who died in the riot deserved to do so because they are snitches. This clown is where he belongs.
  • AbbeAF
    A tale of two systems
    The best path to justice in the U.S. for some comes from the journalism of podcasts and cellphone recordings. Even when the evidence reveals grave miscarriages, it’s still nearly impossible to put things right unless you have power and privilege. Talk about a tale of two systems.
  • He-did-it
    Fooled by a killer
    Why don’t they mention the fact that Lamar single handedly took over the death row block at Mansfield correction and tried to kill Inmate Derek Evans?
  • Willis5150
    Uprising or Riot?
    To call Lucasville an uprising is giving it undue legitimacy. Like it’s some civil rights battle. These rioters murdered and raped inmates and guards. They should all be executed.
  • Cosima2010
    Fantastic Investigative Journalism
    As an Investigative Analyst, I tend to scrutinize investigative podcasts. This is a wonderful example of investigations and journalism. I was immediately hooked after the first episode. Skip through the ads, it isn’t difficult. Also, investigations take time and money! 😀
  • vhhhkkkkoii
    Unfortunately no
    I quit episode two because there is 11 minutes of ads, introductions,and previews. I’m sure this is probably a great podcast if you’re OK with half of it being NOT the podcast!
  • EmojiLojiy
    Is it Steve Yancy???!
    In the first episode you literally said we will find out who the real killer is? I’m confused 🤔
  • AgreeMikeBites
    Commercials & dramatization overshadow a good story
    The heart of this story is a powerful one, and would shine through more strongly if it weren’t for the insanely long, frequent and grating commercials, and the occasional sound effects and dramatizations. I really feel for Melissa, Rodney snd their loved ones, and that’s what deserves unencumbered center stage here. Cut the minor theatrics - god, and the commercial style/tone/layout/timing - and you have a more powerful podcast.
  • Mia.11
    More Ads than Story!
    This was like listening to an advertisment podcast with short breaks of true crime story. The story itself is very well done, but I honestly could not keep up with it because of the constant interruptions. Each ad interruption is 3 minutes long! Why not offer an ad-free version like other channels?
  • "Nagale"
    Sad story with an amazing story teller!
    This is a rly sad/ horrible crime! It’s rly heartbreaking to think of the amount of innocent people in prison. I hope the host does a second season on a new case.
  • 78Mando
    True Crime with inspiring twist of resilience, forgiveness & new bonds
    I have listened to countless crime podcasts, watched all the top crime shows and this podcast is more intricate than anything I’ve ever read, heard or seen. While heartbreaking pales in comparison to the horrific events the victims suffer and the anger you feel towards our terminally flawed & unjust “justice system,” it does something no other crime podcast has ever accomplished, it leaves you feeling inspired and speechless. The unimaginable brings together two family’s destroyed by the same tragedy who suffer for decades only to become family to each other. It leaves you with a sense of hope that perhaps, they might have found a semblance of the long & overdue healing they so desperately deserve.
  • itsmeReb
    Uggh! The amount of commercials is unreal
    Great podcast, but 3/4 of the way through the 1st episode I had to stop listening bc the amount of commercials is absurd!! Too many interruptions!!
  • MinMonterey
    One of the best I’ve heard!
    Seriously, this is one of the best true crime journalism podcasts I’ve listened to! Let me qualify this by saying I’m a true crime addict. If I’m not getting to the bottom of a murder on tv then there’s a strong probability I’ve got something unfolding in my ears. I’m talking podcasts. Lots of them. And of the countless podcasts I’ve enjoyed, I think I’ve been compelled to drop everything and write a raving review for only a couple (definitely less than five). I don’t pass out podcasting blue ribbons to just anybody with a microphone! Seriously, this story is so well produced and told in such a compelling way. So tragic, shocking, relatable, engaging. I find myself genuinely caring about every person in this story. So many lives effected by this savage crime. I’m feeling sad for their both families’ losses. Touched by their humility and their humanity. And inspired by their strength and fortitude. I wish I could hug each of these people. I’m on episode 7 and I’m just floored at the way this is unfolding. I had to stop and write this review because it is so well deserved! Listen to this one!!
  • Rms66
    Heart breaking
    So many wrongfully accused/innocent people in prison. I sat through a trial of my doctor. The whole thing was like being in the twilight zone. I know he’s innocent. But I’m prison. Such a broken system we have.
  • jescharcoh
    Love but
    Great podcast. This murder sparked my interest since I’ve lived in St. Louis for 15 years but never heard of this case. I have however heard of Tommy Lynn Sells from the Ina murder which is very close to my hometown. Great storytelling from the host and impactful interviews. Only issue I have is the praising of the St. Louis prosecutor, anyone living in St. Louis knows what garbage of a prosecutor she actually is.
  • Margregil
    Offensive and Misleading Ads
    The podcast was interesting and kept my attention throughout. The offensive and misleading advertisements ruined what would’ve been an otherwise pleasant experience.
  • dantmamn
    This guy???
    So great let’s get him out… when do we get the guy that he bashed over the head with a rock and put into a river back? It’s always the same story we don’t believe the police but the guy that is an admitted killer we say oh well sure he’s telling the truth. Give me a break. Maybe he didn’t do this, but he’s no innocent victim.
  • Majorly Addicted!
    Just meh..
    Interviewer was just ok and her first interview with the sister who was at the time 7 years old had an almost unbelievable memory of the incident. I had to stop because she seemed to want to dramatize every single moment.. it was just too much. Claiming she had a feeling something bad was going to happen that day and then fighting off the guy and then knowing to play dead - then to being carried out by a fireman and it seeing the most beautiful blue skies. I couldn’t help but wonder how much she had filled in on her own. Had to stop.
  • Proangler47
    SJW garbage
    Great podcast until ep.11 and all the SJW garbage starts popping up. Why can’t these podcasters just tell the story
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