Ever listen to the words of songs? Like, really listen? We do, and we think everyone should.

Who's "we"? We is Daniel Maté (award-winning musical theatre lyricist, composer, co-author of the NYT bestselling "The Myth of Normal", so-called mental chiropractor) and Carice van Houten (Emmy-nominated as Melisandre from "Game of Thrones", also seen in "Dangerous Liaisons" on Starz, Paul Verhoeven's "Black Book", "Valkyrie").

We both love listening and talking about music and words, and we do it a LOT on this show. All eras, all genres, nothing off-limits. Plus a metric shit-tonne of free associating. So basically, it's a podcast about everything. Join us!

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