Points for Normal People by Katie's Travel Tricks

Travel isn’t just for the rich. I teach people how to supercharge their credit card points so they can pay for entire family vacations every year. 


I've  been redeeming miles and points to pay for travel for over a decade. Points have taken our family around the world. But one thing sets me apart -- our family flies economy because business class isn't worth the extra effort for us. 


But this podcast isn't about me and where I've been -- it's about you and your goals. 


I focus on "normal"  and streamlined credit card points strategies. This is about how to earn points the easiest way you can and redeem them easily, too. 


Season 1 covers common mistakes and myths and then will do a deep dive into Chase Ultimate Rewards points. 

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  • newmom182016
    Makes it simple!
    Katie‘s title for her channel says it all, she makes points and miles accessible to normal people! I’ve watched travel vloggers years and always seen it as something that I could never actually get into but finding her podcast made me realize otherwise. I’ve now opened my first credit card, the one she recommended, and I’m so happy with everything I’ve gotten out of it so far. If I can do it, you can do it, thank you so much, Katie!
  • kstevenson28
    Down to Earth
    I just started my miles and points journey and I really love this podcast because Katie is realistic and methodical explaining how strategies work and how to book normal vacations and travel. I’d love to do luxury trips someday but I’m happily learning the basics from Katie!
  • Rdposcar
    Start with Katie!
    I’ve been trying to understand the points game for over a year. I listened to those “moms” talk a little. And that “guy” too, but I was still feeling confused on the details. I was also feeling so overwhelmed on how to choose my next cards. Then I found Katie, and she just makes it all make sense! And I stopped feeling guilty that I wasn’t anywhere close to a super pricey trip around the world in first class. Instead, I’m now simply saving money on the vacations my family already wanted to take! To date, I’ve saved $3k, and I can attribute half of that to Katie’s guidance in just the 3 months since I’ve started her podcast. She makes it all so much easier to understand. Thank you Katie!
  • Jenni0546
    Love this podcast
    Katie’s info is what finally convinced me I could actually use points and miles to travel. She is so great at breaking the concepts down so everyone can understand them. If you are looking for a place to start, this is it. She always has great info and unique tips and tricks, one of my favorite to follow!
  • doctor and mom
    One of my favorite travel podcasts!!
    Katie is so helpful and informative. So pleasant to listen to. I actually love the intro music. I look forward to new episodes so much. The whole experience is so pleasant. And I have learned so much from it! Highly recommend!!
  • TimChaize
    The Best Place to Start Your Travel Hacking Journey
    I started this journey about a year ago, but threw myself into it very quickly. I listened to all sorts of podcasts, read a bunch of blogs, joined social media groups, and more. I would talk with friends or post about our family’s redemptions to try and help others take the first steps. What I found was that I was oftentimes referencing back to Katie’s advice or referring those friends to have a listen. This is truly the best podcast to start with. It’s easy to understand, it’s well laid out even with step-by-step guides, the content is very relevant, and as you advance, there’s additional resources on her site. I’m so glad I found this podcast. Without it, it would’ve taken years to get our family of 6 to Hawaii (for nearly free) and now we can yearly if we choose. Thanks Katie!
  • Listener0708
    ***TEN STARS*** The BEST Points & Miles Podcast
    The absolute best podcast if you want to learn the points and miles game. Katie provides clear and concise information and appeals to the average person. It was so refreshing to find a podcast that didn’t include a bunch of shameless brags and useless banter about business class or point redemptions that are unattainable by the average person. I’ve been able to book 5 trips already using her advice and tools. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!
  • fortnitedubs
    Great podcast
    I love this podcast and am so grateful for all of Katie’s free advice. It has been so valuable as I get more into booking travel on points.
  • cvp22
    Amazing
    I love this podcast & Katie so much. Thanks to Katie’s advice in regards to cards and referral links I am now the proud owner of a companion pass through 2026! Just in time to fly my son up to RI to stay with his grandparents. Thanks again Katie!
  • LindsayAnderson
    Love Katie!!
    Katie, this podcast is awesome. I love how you have gone a different route than other travel podcasts and yours feels more like a class where I am learning versus discussing. Thank you!
  • MarisaLevine
    The Best!
    This podcast is by far the easiest and most informative I’ve found for learning all the tips and tricks for traveling on points and miles. Katie has a way of taking the most complex ideas in this space and breaking them down into terms and steps that anyone can understand. Thank you for what you do Katie!
  • gg1884
    Great Tutorials on Traveling on Points and Miles
    Katie has an amazing amount of knowledge, which she so generously shares with everyone to give us all a chance to successfully travel using points and miles. Her podcasts are well organized and she imparts her knowledge into easy to understand chunks of information. She also shares her guides and documents in her show notes that we can reference at any time. If you really want to learn about traveling on points and miles, listening to Katie’s podcast is an absolute must as hers is one of the best!
  • Kalii1114
    Unbelievably Helpful
    This is an incredibly well organized and delivered gateway to the points game for a newbie like me. Thanks so much for the great podcast.
  • none37474728&2
    Great Info!
    Great show! I like how you get right into the information and each episodes contains tons of great info!
  • JamieFL119
    Amazing Resource
    I am just really getting into points and Katie’s advice has been everything I need! Can’t wait for season 3!
  • Clarkcm1
    Making travel a reality
    I love this podcast! As a “big family” with 4 kids points earning takes longer but makes trips we never thought we would be able to take doable! I love Katie’s practical advice and always promoting “normal people travel”. Thanks Katie!
  • BrittMichelleMo
    The Queen of Thoroughness
    I absolutely love Katie’s content. She is the most thorough points and miles educator that I have found. She breaks down all the jargon, gives relatable examples, and goes step by step in every episode. I have learned SO MUCH! I was able to shave off $2,300 of our 8 day cruise thanks to her blog and podcast. Thanks Katie! You rock!
  • SDEMOSS521
    Points - Simplified 🙌🏼
    I am extremely new to the points world and started by following a few different people in the space that had knowledge, but it seemed so complicated to me. I then found this podcast and I’m loving the short episodes with actionable steps! So much easy to learn and feel ok with making my points work for the “normal” travel vs super luxury travel which is what the others seemed to care most about. Thanks again for sharing such valuable information in a digestible way!
  • 10ley_rose
    Pearls
    Love the pearls of wisdom I’m learning that some bloggers/podcasters make you pay for! Keep up the great work!
  • sarag2011
    Super Helpful
    I am just getting started with CC points and had read/listened to several different resources before finding Katie and all of her resources. They have been sooo helpful in the learning process. I’m waiting to receive my CSP card so I can really get going and will definitely come back to several of the podcasts to refresh myself on what to do! Thank you so much for all the information you have provided!
  • SKFARR
    So helpful!
    I’m just getting started with traveling on CC points. This has been the BEST resource!
  • Mrs Koppes
    Super helpful
    Thank you for taking the time to put together these tips. Your directions are always easy to understand and easy to follow. Just this morning I saved 10,000 SW points by implementing Katie’s travel tricks!
  • Airgreg2
    Great Points Podcast for Us Regular People
    As the title said, this WAS a great points and miles podcast for normal people but she hasn’t had a show over a month and I think she may have quit? Does it have something to do with all the crackdown on credit card affiliate links? The credit cards are now I listen to several other podcasts, and everyone is going to the Maldives, Amsterdam, Dubai, etc., and they’re all flying in first class single person pods. I will never be able to fly overseas because I can’t afford it and especially not in a first class pod. I want to listen to a podcast that talks about mostly domestic flying and hotels, but at least flying like normal people do. I don’t know how all those other podcasts do it with their constant traveling around the world and they appear not to have a normal job. I work 40 hours a week and will have a modest retirement. I want to save money on travel and this podcast explains things easily and to the point without having to figure out points per mile and just teaches you how to save a money by using credit card points on every day spend AND NOT CARRY A CREDIT CARD BALANCE. Thank you Katie for a great podcast! Katie’s voice is very soothing, and I enjoy listening to her.
  • JrChubaca1
    Great beginner podcast
    I really love this podcast and I love how you just make it easy for new users and I will definitely recommend this for anyone that is truly trying to get into the credit card game in the future. I am a moderate advanced user but I am glad that there is something I can recommend to a new person just getting into this game so I appreciate this and keep it going if there is anything else you think of.
  • Jwohead
    Informative and Concise
    Appreciate the content and delivery style. Great info!
  • Lbritwahl
    Informative Bite-sized Chunks!
    Katie’s podcasts are clear, concise, and delivered in a calm voice. Her resources are straightforward and she doesn’t make beginners feel overwhelmed. I also like how she describes practical and lesser known benefits of credit cards beyond just travel. Lastly, her voice - it’s an even cadence laced with humor and authenticity. She won’t waste your time with gabbing and mindless chatter. I appreciate you, Katie!
  • A Reidhead
    The best travel hacking podcast!
    Hands down the most helpful travel podcast. Katie is so knowledgeable and easy to follow. She is prepared for the episode and the information is straight to the point.
  • Elizzard77
    Always learning something new!
    I’ve been listening just over a month and really enjoying this podcast and all its amazing content! I’m not new to points and miles and I thought I already knew a lot but I’ve learned countless new tips and tricks from Katie! She explains everything simply but thoroughly. Bonus— her voice is very soothing and relaxing. Highly recommend if you’re a beginner OR veteran points and miles traveler!
  • Becky9429
    Great information!
    Because of the Venture X card episode, I learned how I can pay my T-Mobile bill with a credit card, while still keeping my auto-pay discount. Thank you so much!
  • MrsG917
    Great Podcast!
    The title of this podcast caught my attention and while I’m not new to the the world of points and miles I found it to be very helpful and informative.
  • Dmo316
    Helpful podcast
    This podcast is full of useful information. It provides me with the tools and info that I need to make my points work for me. Thank you very much for this podcast.
  • SouthernOregon Girl
    Love the detail!
    I love the detail Katie gives especially on credit card benefits. Keep the great information coming!
  • Danimichellem
    Game changing Tool
    Katie’s podcast is game changing for traveling with points. They are simple and short but super beneficial. I am so grateful for this free resource and breakdown so my family can travel more!
  • JaneP47635
    Very Informative
    I love the short, but super informative style of Katie’s podcast. Her content is organized and straight forward and she always gives “action items” at the end to help review everything.
  • EHGLA27
    Great and informative podcast
    You are doing an awesome job Katie! I get so excited when you have a new episode because I know I’m gonna to hear so many pearls of knowledge. Thank you and keep up the great work.
  • Parksandrec m
    Her title nails the content
    Great content!
  • vkmccune
    Best points and miles podcast out there!
    Katie is so methodical and so easy to listen to. She gives you such practical next steps and makes it feel achievable and fun. Katie, I look forward to this podcast every week. Please keep it up. It’s the best!!
  • Kbamboat
    One of my all time faves
    Love the content!!!
  • Family of Page
    Great tips for travel!
    I love discovering the extra benefits of travel credit cards. I have utilized many of the tips Katie shares. Recently got the venture X card which has made the time spent at the airport much more enjoyable by utilizing lounges. We are going for the SW companion pass for the first time, following Katie’s guide. Very excited for many more travels to come.
  • BH_2009
    Practical Information for family travel
    As a busy mom that mainly travels domestically with my family of 5, I love the practical and useful information. This is the first time I’ve ever left a podcast review. Katie does such a great job explaining things in a concise and easy to understand way. A lot of the information in this space seems focused on business class international travel for individuals and couples. I was struggling to find something focused on domestic economy travel for 5 people and this has been very useful.
  • badgerfamily21
    This is what I've been looking for!
    Points for Normal People is exactly what I need to learn the points game. Other podcasts are great for extravagant first class travel, but I have a large family that just wants a nice vacation per year. We also are a typical sports family and need hotels for the summer season. Katie understands that everyone's needs are different and goes more by the "you do you" mentality. I look forward to the podcasts!
  • Don't listen to outside mag
    Well organized, easy to listen to
    Thank you Katie for this well organized and relaxing podcast. I look forward to podcasts as they come out - informative and yet not dry. I appreciate your perspective.
  • bdc5222
    Keep it going!
    I have a family of 5 and I love this podcast. I recommend it to anyone and everyone!
  • Travel Jenny
    Katie is the best!
    Seriously always on the edge of my seat waiting for the next episode. Katie is pure genius when it comes to maximizing points and miles and travel benefits and is also totally down to earth and practical. I love the way her brain works and I learn new tricks from every episode even if I think I already have a good handle on the topic. Thank you so much, Katie!
  • Iowa girl mom
    Looking forward to each new episode
    I'm so happy that I came upon Katie's podcasts. I've been doing this hobby a couple years but still have a lot to learn and I look forward to each new episode! I've found Katie's podcast to be fast and easy to listen to and they seem to be geared exactly for my style :) Thanks Katie, I've told many friends about this!
  • hko06001
    Must listen for optimizing travel spend advice
    I listen to a number of travel/travel hacking podcasts and honestly love them all. Specifically I listen to the travel moms squad podcast, and the frequent miler and this podcast. What I like most about this podcast is that I am not someone who wants to use a ton of miles on business class fares because I don’t plan to go super hard on credit card applications, etc. I’d rather take a slower pace and pay for the vacations as they come up. I’m also a family of five so honestly, I want to maximize the points that I have on being able to travel in general vs. business or first class accommodations or flights. I also like how Katie doesn’t make you feel bad about not always getting the best CPP for your points. Obviously we want to maximize the value of our points, but it’s not always possible and everyone has different goals i.e. i’d rather pay for my excursions with points and save the cash vs. the opinion of “oh you’re not getting two CPP. This is a waste.” I also really love that this podcast offers the three-year plan because I also don’t think the other podcasts at least from my listening or perspective have laid out something as clear. Please keep recording episodes because I love this show and guidance!
  • CARPBmore319
    Thank you!
    This podcast is full of information that is presented so clearly. I have been travel hacking for 3 yrs and still learn a lot from Katie’s podcast. It’s not just for beginners! Thank you Katie
  • Kaitlin ;)
    Clear, well-informed
    I’m not new to these concepts but this has become my go-to podcast to send interested friends to. Everything is laid out so clearly, with all details explained so no one gets themselves in a pickle. Also I love Katie’s calm voice! Thank you for doing this!
  • In321
    This might be the only travel hacking podcast you need!
    I started travel hacking a few months ago. I love learning via podcast, so I started looking around for a good one to get me up and running. For the first few weeks, I was sooo frustrated with every podcast I tried. Some of them were completely unintelligible for beginners, with tons of terms being thrown around that were never explained. Others were more simple but still disorganized, and included a bunch of annoying fluff to wade through. I’m not interested in listening to an hourlong blow-by-blow of your last luxury vacation; I just want to learn how to earn my own free vacation! 
Finally I happened on Katie’s podcast, and it has been a game-changer! She is super organized and methodical in the way she presents information. She takes you from square 1 to square 10 in about 20 minutes, breaking everything down and making it seem so doable. I also love the action steps she includes at the end of each podcast. Hers is the only podcast that feels like it is built to teach, not just built to make money! 

I wish I had started travel hacking 10 years ago, but the upside to waiting so long is that I now have this great resource to guide me, and the confidence to know that I am doing it right. Thanks Katie!!
  • Really stupid guy
    Louise
    Awesome podcast!Thank you for doing this Katie!
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