Heterodorx

“Based TERF and Tranny” Nina Paley and Cori Cohn talk about gender — and anything else they find interesting and/or horrifying — with warmth, sarcasm, respect, cutting intelligence, more sarcasm, and disarming honesty.

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Recent Episodes
  • Episode 166: Illin', Chillin', & Gettin' That Bill In
    Apr 11, 2025 – 01:14:14
  • Episode 165: Did We Win Yet?
    Mar 27, 2025 – 54:53
  • Episode 164: Nina's Brain Breaks Itself
    Mar 12, 2025 – 42:12
  • Episode 163: Cori’s Breasts Break The Internet
    Mar 12, 2025 – 46:23
  • The Straight-Inclusive Queer Majority with Rio Veradonir
    Feb 26, 2025 – 01:08:37
  • Autogynephantasia! Our Emelia Pérez Review
    Feb 14, 2025 – 50:20
  • Executive Order 14168
    Feb 8, 2025 – 01:11:04
  • The Ideological Capture of Tech with Bryan Lunduke
    Jan 30, 2025 – 01:32:18
  • Desecrating the PFLAG
    Jan 23, 2025 – 01:00:55
  • Lesbians, Law, and Bicycles with Glenna Goldis
    Jan 16, 2025 – 01:19:15
  • The Trouble With Parents with Stephanie Winn
    Dec 27, 2024 – 01:10:55
  • Artificial Intelligence with Chris Waites
    Dec 17, 2024 – 01:36:06
  • Judging US v Skrmetti with Judge TERF
    Dec 7, 2024 – 01:22:06
  • Next year in Jerusalem?
    Nov 25, 2024 – 01:07:18
  • Post Election Derangement and Schadenfreude
    Nov 14, 2024 – 01:07:27
  • Fear of a Woke Bike Mechanic
    Nov 4, 2024 – 47:46
  • Aaron Kimberly Look-a Like a Man
    Oct 30, 2024 – 01:23:41
  • The Academic Freedom Closet with Cory Clark
    Oct 21, 2024 – 01:16:04
  • Hurricane Gender downgraded to Tropical Depression Gender
    Oct 10, 2024 – 42:50
  • Richard Hanania Hates His Audience
    Sep 25, 2024 – 01:09:29
  • Science Fiction with Jon Del Arroz
    Sep 14, 2024 – 01:03:57
  • Queering the Law with Judge TERF
    Sep 4, 2024 – 01:30:59
  • Anti-Culture, Bee Stings, and the IOC
    Aug 11, 2024 – 58:43
  • Gender in the Church with Brandon Showalter
    Aug 6, 2024 – 01:22:38
  • The Age of Bourgeois Guilt with Gary Saul Morson
    Jul 26, 2024 – 01:11:25
  • No More Mrs. Nice Guy with Candice Jackson
    Jul 15, 2024 – 01:32:59
  • Armed and Gay and Running for President with Chase Oliver
    Jul 4, 2024 – 01:03:50
  • Ideology Obscuring Orientation with Jules Louise
    Jun 27, 2024 – 01:30:42
  • The Gospel of Disenchantment with Corinna and Nina
    Jun 17, 2024 – 48:43
  • Man of Steele with Eli Steele
    Jun 13, 2024 – 01:18:08
  • Palestinian Heterodoxy with John Aziz
    May 27, 2024 – 01:25:17
  • Is Brianna Wu Based? Part Two
    May 10, 2024 – 01:34:53
  • Is Brianna Wu Based? Part One
    May 10, 2024 – 56:34
  • Butching It Up with Nina and Corinna
    May 6, 2024 – 49:04
  • A Light Unto the School Districts with Dr. Tabia Lee
    Apr 29, 2024 – 01:24:00
  • California Nightmares with Beth Bourne
    Apr 18, 2024 – 01:15:05
  • Structure and Coherence with J.D. Haltigan
    Apr 5, 2024 – 01:19:54
  • “A Path to Inclusion” with Cyd Zeigler
    Mar 28, 2024 – 50:24
  • Autoandrophilia with Aaron Terrell
    Mar 20, 2024 – 01:22:21
  • Taking Action with Ellen Daehnick
    Mar 9, 2024 – 01:19:59
  • Mitigating the Damage with Jamie Reed
    Mar 1, 2024 – 01:44:54
  • TERF-Tranny Alliances with Eva Kurilova and Lois Cardinal
    Feb 24, 2024 – 01:17:03
  • Safeguarding, Lesbophobia, and DARVO
    Feb 15, 2024 – 55:41
  • Alpacne! with Jennifer Lahl
    Feb 7, 2024 – 01:10:29
  • Welcome to the Gender Wars, Dr. Gary Francione!
    Jan 28, 2024 – 01:23:53
  • Unblinded by the Light with Ray Alex Williams
    Jan 18, 2024 – 01:08:02
  • Rosie Kay Believes in The Power of the Arts
    Jan 8, 2024 – 01:11:13
  • Esprit de Corpse
    Dec 8, 2023 – 01:12:10
  • Librarians Losing Their Spine, with Penny Hummel
    Nov 20, 2023 – 01:21:16
  • Ladies' Autogynephilia Chat with Shannon Thrace
    Nov 14, 2023 – 01:04:05
Recent Reviews
  • ForeignRadiohead
    One of my faves
    By far the most humorous podcast I follow. I laugh so much listening to these two.
  • H.Lavandula
    Hosts are deeply compassionate and grounded in material reality. Insightful and hilarious.
    Found this podcast after Corinna was on Stephanie Winn’s podcast a while back. Thankful to find this podcast. The hosts down to earth conversation about material reality is a breath of fresh air. They both share important perspectives without causing the room to spin from mental gymnastics. Highly empathetic and ahead of their time. Perfect dose of sanity and some ugly laughing therapy from this Orwellian madness. From the Midwest with solidarity ❤️
  • angrylf
    Great podcast
    The hosts create a casual, conversational vibe that works really well. You definitely will hear things from guests that you don’t hear when they appear on other shows. Their ability to stay civil and good natured even when talking to guests who become hostile and/or semi coherent is truly admirable. Great podcast.
  • Terfslayer666
    Just depressing
    The trans individuals self loathing is palpable.
  • Ruskyphile
    Jordan Peterson singing Rainbow Connection would be fire.
    Always has fascinating guests and thought provoking discussions.
  • The S.K.P. Machine
    Hateful
    If you want to hear wild speculation & outright lies about the history of Christianity, this is the podcast for you.
  • Cashew Ears
    wonderful
    i had the privilege of chatting with corinna in the days of tumblr yore, so i was extra-thrilled to find this podcast. nina and corinna have some really nice host chemistry, they let their guests speak freely, and generally have a lot of important thoughts about gender medicine. well worth a listen, please keep up the wonderful work and take care of both of yourselves. 💕
  • ngarre
    Chase Oliver
    I got the feeling Oliver hasn’t given a lot of deep thinking on issues. Especially trans issues. His evidence is people he talked to. That only matters if it’s backed up with data. He has a political leaning and just slaps libertarian talking points on top of issues. I think he’s sincere but if I were libertarian I wouldn’t trust him to be a competent president to deliver promises.
  • Sruly97
    Perfect!
    If there are any other podcasts with cohosts as hilarious and reasonable as Nina and Cori, I haven’t found them yet. Not holding my breath though. Thanks for the sanity and the entertainment!!
  • Vayama
    Eli
    I really wanted to hear What Eli Steele had to say, but sadly, I could barely understand a word. I believe he as a restricted frenum attachment (tongue tied) which would have been an easy remedy at 3-4 yrs old. (Retired dental hygienist here) I love the Steele’s, their documentaries and writings, but alas, I had to stop trying to listen after about 15 minutes. (But, this is an overall great podcast!)
  • mcgj354
    My new favorite
    This podcast has been a lifeline of good sense and dark humor in a difficult space. Keep up the great work you two. Clear, calm, smart and funny.
  • Sanbenito1
    Brave and honest
    Two people who are willing to talk out some hard subjects. I’ve learned a lot
  • emeraldcascader
    My new fav
    That’s it.
  • ManMan12141
    CriticalTheorist
    Great podcast!
  • IronicMiddleName
    Insightful and Offputting
    Wandered into this podcast, and once I got past the absolutely cringe theme song, found Corinna’s viewpoint insightful. She’s both a good interviewer and listener. Guests often have lots to say. But it’s impossible to take Nina in more than small doses. She makes every conversation about her, and her past sex life/current state of celibacy/bout with COVID, and punctuates her comments with the most grating laugh. Plus she seems so juvenile with her need to use the word “tranny” and call Corinna her “pet tranny.” I wish someone would tell her to tone it down, way down.
  • kzy_ma
    TRA light
    If you’re looking for AGP apologia, this podcast is for you! It’s not for me. FYI: no TERFs or any other radical feminists are involved in this pushcarts.
  • bigbeard61
    Damaging argument through partisanship
    I am very sympathetic to a truly heterodox critique of critique of gender ideology, but this podcast misses the mark. I am very worried about pushing gender transition on people who are coming to terms with their gender non-conformity, who will grow into their gay selves. But this podcast comes close to falling into the trap of demonizing those who disagree with its focus. for example, calling President Biden a criminal narcissist equivalent to Trump is violently irresponsible. He is trying to be generally supportive of the LGBT community so he is repeating the line he is being told the community wants to hear.
  • OliviaCruse
    Wow.
    I just discovered this podcast and am furiously trying to catch up by listening at 1.5 speed. I am in awe of their quick wits, Olympic-level sarcasm, and ability to pop out perfect examples for every point they make. It’s sorely disappointing that neither of them lives in my neck of the woods. I couldn’t possibly keep up with their conversation, but maybe I could bribe them to sit in the room with me while they spin their magical word webs.
  • Bigbiuuy
    Really thought provoking discussions
    I really enjoy this podcast. The hosts and guests both offer thoughtful and nuanced discussion. The episode about kiwi farms was excellent.
  • Mollorollo
    Refreshing as a glass of cool water
    What more to say? These two incredible human beings are emotionally intelligent, don’t take themselves too seriously, and are actually capable of critical thought and holding two opposing beliefs at once. Sadly, these qualities are missing in much of podcasting content (and much other content.) Thank you both. Never stop. ❤️
  • TRBOSOB
    Erudite Discussions, Great Dialogue, Thoughtful
    Love this show. I’ve listened to every episode. I appreciate Nina & Corinna’s mutual respect for each other but challenge one another and are not afraid to have guests on who do not agree with them which is usually the best kind of guest bc their guests are fascinating. Great guests, great show. Challenges me.
  • Missy2278
    GREAT interviews
    From pediatricians to Joshua Connor Moon, love love love this podcast. Much needed voices that are the REAL people speaking truth to power. Keep it up this important work, it’s desperately needed in the march to misery and ignorance pervading our culture.
  • b__bb88999
    The GC podcast I needed in my life
    Nina and Corinna are great and I like their dynamic a lot. Guests are hit or miss sometimes.
  • msconk
    This is the one!
    The very best information about the many complicated issues surrounding gender today. These two have different guests & conversation with themselves that have given me a clear view of a confusing topic.
  • rarer.avis
    Always Worth The Listen
    One of only a handful of podcasts regularly addressing trans and gender related topics, from politics and science to education and personal stories, these two hosts provide a diversity of opinion everyone ought to listen to: a woman and a trans woman, each with their whole, nuanced, and often heterodox opinions and experiences, hosting fascinating conversations between themselves and with guests.
  • Hamwax
    So far so good
    Started listening after hearing these two on Meghan Daum’s podcast. They are thoughtful, respectful and curious. Not always right. But who is?
  • markaigh
    Love This Podcast!
    The humor, irreverence & insight is awesome 🙌🏻
  • Fred’s 4Ever
    Finally Honesty
    You guys had me wondering for a while which way you were going to bend the truth. Thankfully, I heard TWO sides to the story. Even the opinions expressed that I didn’t agree with, were done in such a fashion that I could listen without getting an ulcer. And that pizza recipe made me hungry. GREAT POD!! Thank you 🙏 Your interview with Wilfred Reilly blew me away. I could listen to that man for hours. Please perhaps invite him back? 🙏 Aaron Rabinowitz totally contradicted himself. He thought it was just fine if trans women used ladies rooms. But yet…wanted to PROTECT them because they would be vulnerable in a male prison. What a hypocrite. He may be intelligent but he needs to remove the blinders!!
  • Ctbham
    Insightful and Cringe
    What I love most about this podcast is that is so clearly comes from a place of respect for trans people’s innate value and Corinna is a voice for compassionate critique of gender theory. Nina often makes the topic about herself and dominates the conversation the with guests. I often end up turning off half way because I’m done hearing about Nina’s sex life. That being said, there are still some good conversations.
  • what did you do Ray
    never eat anything while you’re podcasting
    great pod. great content. keep it up!
  • Jean Lettuce
    Adult Human Weirdos
    This podcast is a delight. I love the episodes with guests: the viewpoint diversity and breadth of conversational topics is a breath of fresh air. (You had Grace Lavery as a guest on an early episode; do you think there’s any chance you might be able to get her husband Daniel as a guest? I’ve been a fan of him since his days on The Hairpin, and that’s a conversation I’d really love to hear.) I also love the episodes that are just Nina and Corinna. The pair have excellent chemistry and when they start engaging in their Olympic Sarcasm, I laugh more than when listening to any other podcast in my playlist. But they have lovely thoughtful conversations as well. They may not always agree, but they respect each other, and I can understand where each of them is coming from. If you want a podcast that appreciates your intelligence and trusts you to be able to think for yourself, this might be the right show for you. Thank you both for all you do!
  • Plastic Zelig
    Delightful
    Nina and Corinna are a real kick in the pants. I love these two. Wish there had been a 90s sitcom about them being roommates that somehow addressed 2020s gender politics.
  • CrazyNadine
    the Theme song
    I turned this podcast off after 2 seconds because of the insanely cringe theme song. I can’t imagine anyone would stay open minded to the discussions here if they don’t already agree, if it means they have to hear that song.
  • Bibbleshanks
    Amazing Episode with Helen Joyce!
    All of your shows are terrific, but I was totally blown away by this episode with Helen Joyce. I loved her advice about how to talk with friends about this “third rail” issue. The topic and all of its troubling aspects has been at the forefront for me for months now, but I’m still reticent to broach it with friends. I also found it so helpful to hear her perspective on the idiosyncratic shape the trans issue has taken in the US (e.g., the troubled racial legacy of separate but equal, etc.), and why the issue has unfolded differently in England versus Scotland versus Ireland. You two ask such great questions and have really thoughtful insights. I’m definitely buying Helen Joyce’s book after listening to this podcast. Corinna, I recently donated to your nonprofit, Gender Care Consumer Advocacy Network. Keep up the great work. So Nina - how can I support you and your efforts to fight back against cancellation? Please let me know, as I can’t figure out how to do that. I really appreciate everything you two do!
  • Supabroad
    HEROIC
    Maybe it’s the Midwestern vibes connecting and rooting me; maybe it’s me being a Big 10 alum the same age as Nina; maybe it’s my dream of one day playing euchre with Corinna… but these people give me hope that normies will prevail. Keep going.
  • junocorn
    Kind, wry, and mindblowingly evolved
    Love you guys!
  • larkspur38
    A treasure
    You two are so fabulous and I love your podcast so much.
  • ChristineNYC
    Entertaining and important
    I love both hosts. So thoughtful. Humane and intelligent conversations that we need to have right now to steer the Democratic Party toward reality.
  • Amir Zaki_artist
    Good god, fix the audio
    Nina, please please please figure out the audio. It’s so bad. I’m constantly adjusting the volume in my car when you get excited and your voice gets loud and distorts. This is an easy fix. But, it’s really bad.
  • Zawfer
    Dorxy
    TERF that I am, I delight in the wit and insights of these black sheep. They suffer fools better than I do, so they’re able to talk to people with whom they disagree without melting down. Corinna is especially even-keeled, but I love them both. Unique, profound, honest, hilarious. And they clearly love each other. An odd couple if ever there was one. Deserves a Quillette article!
  • OliviaJanes
    Balanced Conversation
    I enjoy listening to the chemistry of these two Co-hosts. Often has good conversations with solid guests on the topic of gender identity.
  • Jkynn2303
    Refreshing, respectful, irreverent conversations with wide variety of people
    Hey Terfs and Trannies is the opening greeting of the show - If you are looking for worshipful adherence to the new politically correct gender orthodoxy, you are guaranteed not to find it on Heterodorx. If you are looking for honest conversation with a wide variety of people of differing opinions, conducted by two people who are obviously very good friends, you will find it here. Heterodorx is happy to bring on people with whom they disagree- and I have never heard anyone screaming at each other or being hurtful, though I suppose that could be edited out? (JK- they are rubbing off on me). These conversations sound more like those deep, free ranging discussions of important topics you had with your friends in college to avoid writing your paper. The ones where you stay up half the night challenging and making sense of the world, except that both Corrina and Nina sound sober during the show. It reminds me of the 80s when playing with gender was fun. It is impossible to get to truth unless you are willing to question the orthodoxy. As Corrina has lived as a trans woman since the 80s, she can speak to the changes she has seen. And it is so refreshing to hear them disagree and correct each other without being upset. Reminds me of how the world used to be.
  • Erinnurse34
    Corinna is a gem
    I discovered this podcast from the Unspeakable podcast. Corinna you are an absolute delight to listen to. You are thoughtful, eloquent and kind, and I enjoy hearing your insights and experiences. You feel like someone I would genuinely want to be friends with. Thanks for sharing yourself with us!!
  • Tracy Shring
    Love these two!
    Corinna and Nina don’t seem to be afraid of any topic. They bring on guests who actively disagree with them and the conversations are weird, and challenging. I’ve actually shifted my position on some topics because of this show.
  • changagarcia
    Fantastic
    Fresh perspectives.
  • Xdownload lover
    The dorxyist!
    This has become one of my favorites. I learn a lot.
  • 27jennifers
    Funny and Smart
    Whatever you think you believe about gender and philosophy, you will learn something from listening to these two.
  • melkupfer
    Thank you
    Appreciating the latest and all before. Love you guys
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